We are not there yet. This week, one of them, Sue Klebold mother of shooter Dylan Klebold - breaks the silence with ABC's Diane Sawyer. Weren't they in a small group of rebellious kids? I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy. For happy, easy-to-raise, and successful kids like him, it was easy to fly under their parents radar precisely because they were the shiny pennies, hiding the terrible pain they were in from their parents as capably as they did everything else (p. 65). This girl went on screaming for full minutes at a time - nobody came out of the house and told her to be quiet. I am with R14 and 15. [quote]I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter. armed with one 10-shot hi-point model 995 carbine rifle, one intratec ab-10 (tec-9) pistol, two savage 12-gauge shotguns, and as many as . I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris opened fire at the suburban Denver school on April 20, 1999, killing 13 people before taking their own lives. VERIFY: In the past 20 years did the majority of mass shooters take psychotropic drugs? A place to discuss the massacre that took place at Columbine High School in Littleton, CO on April 20th, 1999. Very few people really care. They weren't bullied, and they weren't outcasts; all of that came from the non-stop media echo chamber that followed the events. You can play the "if only" game all day long, but ultimately, it's nothing. When it came to intervention, these people had no idea what they should have been doing. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were charged with theft, criminal mischief, and criminal trespassing for breaking into a van and . While I was able to share the manner by which she communicated her ideas and insights, I wasnt able to actually share those insights and ideas. You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." We are ich bin auslander! His father claimed his body but the burial site is unknown. one of their coworkers at blackjack (again, cannot remember the name; most of this is just top of my head knowledge but it was a girl) said that dylan was not close with his dad and even disliked him (something to that effect), also in the 11k. I hated her for a few years but its not a clear depiction of the totality of our relationship. Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Hail Reb &VoDka!!!!!!!!! On April 20, 1999, when Sue Klebold heard about a shooting incident at Columbine High School, her thoughts immediately turned to her 17-year-old son, Dylan, who was a senior there. They are particularly good at it. If someone read my journals as a teen, youd assume my Mom and I would have killed each other by now, but now we are pretty close. Sorry if I can't be interested in something without arousing your ire. We didnt realize it until after the end, Tom Klebold said. Byron indicated the last time he saw Dylan was on their father's birthday. If a kid is screaming endlessy, you remove the child from the area. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. (p. 311-312) Synthesizing the many factors, its argued that most school shooters have a history of social rejection, along with either psychological problems, an interest in weapons, and/or a fascination with death (p. 314). He'd gone with a traditional black tuxedo, bow tie slightly askew. Pais was a student at Miami Beach High School who was reportedly obsessed with the school shooting at Columbine, the high school where 13 people were shot and killed 20 years ago. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.. It is also true that environmental stimuli can make the difference between a kid with "problems" and a kid who becomes a "monster." Serious victim mentality with both of them. Every parent has flaws and every parent makes mistakes, but to me they mostly come across as a very normal family like there are millions all over the world. Think of kids who commit suicide - often you hear their family say, "We had no idea." The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. When early word came that the Trench Coat Mafia may be involved in the shooting, Tom ran downstairs to look for Dylans trench coat, which he couldnt find, Lozow said. [quote]Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. As his father's career pulled him out of schools and away from friends leaving Plattsburgh, New York in 1993 for Colorado Harris increasingly retreated into the computer and . Klebold attended the high . No scientist knows this absolutely. One particular incident was uncovered where Dylan and Eric (the other shooter) were surrounded by a group, pushed around, called slurs, and had ketchup sprayed on them. We relate. What have I raised? When someone is in a store, that is not their own private property. Klebold and Harris were in a juvenile diversion program for breaking into a van and stealing tools and other items in January 1998. I'm with VoTN on this one. ERIC AND DYLAN 4 LIFE! R77, there are people who don't have feelings. As a . Do you think Dylans dad could embarrass him as a child in front of other people or humiliate him in other ways that could result in Dylans low self esteem or was Dylan naturally shy? They cry innocence and ignorance, when I know they were anything BUT. psycho school, nasty students, bullshit teachers, ignorant parents, hormones, bullying, rage. i dont particularly envision tom to be the type of parent to humiliate or pressure his sons. "Susan said, came when somebody said, "I forgive you for what you've done." Dylan kept talking about college, about his future. Sue Klebold's son was one of the shooters in a mass killing at Columbine High School 19 years ago. Indeed, R96. its hard to take anything a grieving parents says objectively and we can of course have compassionate understanding for that but also realise it may differ from the reality of the situation, which must be painful. Bartol, C. R., & Bartol, A. M. (2017). Dylan Klebold was suicidal for several years before Columbine. Well, Mrs. Klebold is quite the victim, isn't she? You can't learn to feel if you don't. R71, having seen Patti Lupone shit all over Gypsy, I can assure you, there's a Hell. OP is an idiot, laying the whole thing at the parents' door. . It was very easy to read despite being a difficult topic. Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. The Harrises moved away almost immediately. x93Thatx94 happened to x93themx94 because they were bad parents, we could tell ourselves. I didn't like life too much and I know I'll be happy wherever the fuck I go. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters at Columbine High School in 1999 who killed 15 people before ending their own lives, a tragedy that saddened and galvanized the nation. The people who run gifted programs are often special ed teachers who just got assigned that particular duty, and have the attitude that being smart is its own reward. Dylan Klebold (Dylan Bennet Klebold) was born on 11 September, 1981 in Lakewood, Colorado, United States, is a 20th century American mass murderers. That's the first thing. [quote]He has always been excessively cruel to animals (he even shot and killed his own dog because it barked), obsessed with weapons, "charmingly" manipulative of adults, a pathological liar, disdainful of other people and abusive to them and VERY quick to anger. But 936 pages of evidence taken from the killers' homes and cars were released by the Jefferson County Sheriff's office on Thursday, and a notebook kept by Eric's father . Maybe he needs to go home. By Eun Kyung Kim. This thread is going to hell in jig time if it turns into the all-too-familiar "they were running up and down the aisles and that caused Columbine!!!" On Dylan's part, I think that in January 1999, he was depressed and preparing to die - distancing himself from those he loved, so that it would be easier for him to carry out the attack. Based on what I've read so far, he's working off the assumption that Klebold was a depressive with self-destructive tendencies (he mentions suicide over and over in the journal kept for two years prior to the incident), and that Harris was a full-blown psychopath. (They werent.) How often did they fix things up, was he emotionally available for Dylan? I had to fight for their basic rights because allegedly educated teachers thought things like "retards are dangerous" and "retards should be kept away from the good kids". . Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. Sue Klebold, whose son Dylan, 17, went on a shooting rampage with his friend Eric Harris, 18, at their high school in Colorado in 1999, . i cannot remember nor can i find the source for this but im half certain its in his interview in the 11k. To me its really hard to determine the quality of a relationship based on how teenagers feel about it. Teachers have no training in mental disorders or warning signs. I think he suffered horribly before he died, Susan Klebold said. Funny how things cycle.". Dylan Klebold had written about a "god-like figure" dressed in black, brutally gunning down fraternity-type boys. The giant whine of "I did my beeeeest!" The attack on Columbine is almost a prototypical school shooting, but one way in which it stands out is that it was committed by two people together. Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. I couldn't put the book down, and even though I thought I knew the ending of the story, or at least most of it, I have to admit, the last couple of chapters, specifically the one detailing the Basement Tapes, and the one about what had happened leading up to Harris and Klebold committing suicide were fucking frightening. Teachers did nothing. Tom was a geophysicist, Sue worked with handicapped people. 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. It didn't seem to slow down the ordinary media train. I mean, I purposefully avoided everything except a quick glance at the CNN and MSNBC frontpages, but they had stories about the anniversary pretty front and center. . ". 9-11-1981 -- 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron (21 at the time). It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. we only know so much and there have probably been incidents we dont know about. Dylan Klebold. Brooks said the Klebolds agreed to the interview after an exchange of e-mails initiated by Tom Klebold, who was angered by Brooks April 24 column.
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