It is guys sitting on a motorbike who pull up alongside a cyclist and say 'how are you doing?'. Were literally opening up Sean Kellys cranium to learn the nuances of the sport, and he comes out and says which guy is going to go on and win the next day. Copyright 2015-2022 ProCyclingUK - All rights Reserved, 2024 Womens WorldTour Promotion/Relegation Standings, Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis, says Carlton Kirby, Demi Vollering wins Strade Bianche from teammate Kopecky. You don't need to be that close to the riders to get snaps. For no reason. It is really sad when you see the consequences of that. And this sort of meaningless, demented jabber is not at all unusual I could have chosen many examples just from today. Its a whole other much more positive view of commentators as a whole. Hence, talking on something is difficult without matter. I'm constantly berating or pointing out the danger of the motorcycle. 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Theres so much stuff going on because in front of us for starters, we have live timing, results sheets, stage profiles, live pictures, alternative live pictures and a sub-monitor with the schedule. Baseless. It easy to forget that before this tour Mark Cavendish, the greatest of all great sprinters, had never beaten Marcel Kittel in a head-to-head. He inspires such devotion that he has his own fan club, yet also is on the receiving end of a petition to get him sacked. They basically work on the principle that people watching cycling in english are only interested in english speaking riders. The commentators day doesnt juststart when the racing does, with research and planning underwayas soon as breakfast is taken. We saw that on the Tour of Catalunya - a useless piece of motorcycle protocol. I think it is just individual race directors who decide who gets to ride these bikes. Among an awful lot of distractions, as Carlton Kirby explains, commentating on cycling is an arduous process. It is not general knowledge, and it should be. Eurosport's Carlton Kirby and cycling legend Sean Kelly reacted like the viewers at home - at first incredibly concerned, then mightily relieved. Juan Antonio Flecha and Johnny Hoogerland were sent into barbed wire on the Tour de France because the France TV van was about to hit a tree having a run out of road, but took the softer option of the riders. If you are not interested you can unsubscribe at any time. When Kirby explains the difficult process of commentating on cycling, and the concerns he has, one might want to know how much of that impacts him. I think you need to be a specialist to be a cycling commentator, yet he covers several sports on Eurosport. All rights reserved. PLEASE CONTACT EUROSPORT/GCN INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL AS SIGNING, BECAUSE THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE A GREATER EFFECT. join Outside+. you can't have it on while doing other things and then return to the screen when it gets interesting because by the time Kirby has noticed many minutes will have passed. You can't work commentating on it for as long as he has next to informative ex-pros without some of it getting in through osmosis at the least. 14 Aug 2020. Me too. Maybe it's because he doesn't ride a bike himself? Its windowless. Ive just turned Catalunya on and hes already come out with I think he fell victim to his agent, so now hes at x team. Eurosportreports that Kenny expanded on the incident on BBC One today, saying: Someone felt they had right of way and decided that gave them the right to kind of jump on the throttle and drive at us, which was a scary experience. We usually have to drive to the finish line, which is where the commentary positions normally are theyre like double-decker coaches all lined up there, Kirby sayd. Also, Kirby criticises riders in almost every race. It is exciting being in a vast peloton, and the less experienced ones almost engage with it. All rights reserved. You sit there, its often quite quiet, and you get brought an exotic meal like a guacamole sandwich. Also add in several alert mobile keyholders. Kirby has the benefit of what he calls the ultimate pass the presence of his legendary co-commentator when it comes to cutting through the crowds and police lines. To my mind, the motorcycles are the most dangerous because they have the least ability to stop. Read our full Privacy Policy as well as Terms & Conditions. Partly, of course, that's his job - but if you give it out, you have to take it. 35m is 100ft. It's garnering quite a few sarcastic responses on Twitter Yep, I regularly cycle to MacDonalds, get a load of food, then cycle to the off license, get some beer, and then cycle to a lay by or car park and spread it around the place. We have Sean Kelly, Stephen Roche, Magnus Backstedt, Dean Downing, Rob Hayles and David Harmon (who although is not the best at least it seems he is really doing some research and background checks on the riders and teams - he is clearly learning from Kelly as they sit in the box)but Kirby doesnt even do any background research. Join Outside+ to get complete access to exclusive content on VeloNews, training plans for road and gravel, and more. There has to be some kind of distance applied and minimal standards of what is needed. You also get a guy filming on the one side of a cyclist, who is then blocking the rider from turning at the right angle into a corner because a motorbike is blocking him. This afternoon, I yet again, tolerated his insulting drivel on the Dauphine. Carlton Kirby is a sports commentator who is most known for his work commentating on the Tour de France. Carlton Kirby: 'Joo Almeida, who won't worry anyone in the General Classification'. "Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis," says Carlton Kirby, principal commentator for Eurosport's cycling coverage, who has worked in the sport since 1996. CK:Ive been doing bike races live and on-site since 1996. I usually increase the pace especially on a sprint day to match the peloton, Kirby admits. I don't think much does get through to him, I really wish it did. Discovery through its international sports unit, it operates two main channels Eurosport 1 and Eurosport 2 across most of its territories, and streams on Discovery+, which superseded Eurosport Player. As just one example, the long list of criticisms he has levelled at Thibault Pinot. "Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis," Carlton Kirby tells Betway in a recent interview, one of the principal commentators for Eurosport's cycling coverage, who has served in the sport since 1996. The rest is very monotonous and quite naturally the onus of filling that gap falls on the commentator. Kirby is not uncomfortable with the spurt of social media and the exponential increase of criticism that has gone alongside with it. I agree listening to the mans over stressed enthusiasm really gets on my nerves. Well over a 1000 signatories on that petition now. What a load of rubbish - Team Sky Fan !! I tweeted quite a few comments which clearly annoyed him. So many other cycling commentators on Eurosport. . Simon Clarke, who should have won the 2016 Milan-San Remo is just one in a long, long line of things he invents from nowhere and then portrays as facts, banging on about them throughout a season. If you're after one, guess that does makethe two grand plus 40 quid a month price tag seem a little fairer A mother from London has launched a petition calling for a second coroner's inquest into the death of her daughter, who passed away at nine years of age in what was originally believed to be an asthma-related case. It doesnt take much accomplishment to understand what Kirby is referring to. But Kirby is only interested in his own narrative: McEwen told him twice that Herrada had won, but Kirby kept eulogising about Batistella's 'win', even as Herrada celebrated further coming past the camera. Astonishingly though, a single stage of the Tour de France lasts for about more than six hours. I speak no language other than English. why must us cyclists have to tolerate a commentator who has no knowledge of professional cycling. And hes trying to improve them. There is absolutely no deficit of distractions for a commentator. After my tweet he at least toned that down. How can someone who watches so much cycling know so little? We dont want this man commentating. It is just crazy the amount of automotive stuff on the go, whether that is cars or motorcycles, that are getting too close to the riders, too often. There are many great cycling commentators around at the moment, Im afraid Kirby isnt one of them. Without any editing, moderation, or credibility, it is all out in the name of fate. Here they are listed below, but we already know there will be one change - Team Sky will be racing as Team Ineos, with the Tour de Yorkshire being its first race following the management company's sale to the petrochemical business. I have been speaking to (former cyclist and Eurosport expert) Sean Kelly about it at various races, and we have both had hold your breath moments. Over 3,200 worth of amazing prizes from Pacenti Cycle Design and Saint Piran, including some stunning carbon wheels! This latest incident proves exactly that. Eurosport's lead cycling commentator Carlton Kirby presents a weekly guide to everything that's NOT happening in the sport . A football match lasts for hardly ninety minutes, a rugby match is over in eighty minutes, whilst a basketball game takes only thirty-eight minutes to finish. You cant please everybody and as a commentator thats something you have to get to grips with. It's embarrassing now. And then, you hang a look at anyone who is there to find out if theyre going to listen to you. Its the press guys we see more, because of the mechanics of the day. I've also been known to drag washing machines behind the bike and throw them down embankments, along with piles of grass clippings, black bags of household rubbish and several hubcaps. Driver escapes punishment for alleged hit-and-run on cyclist, as victim blasts police inaction and barriers to justice. Talk about what you know. Antoine Demoitie tragically died after being hit by a motorbike. That is the way it appears. And alongside everything going on in his ear and on the screens in front of him, Kirby says the booths themselves can be a sourceof distraction from the job of commentating. Agreed. Carlton Kirby: What inspired Chris Froome's golden era Eurosport's voice of cycling Carlton Kirby analyses Chris Froome's performance in winning a fourth Tour de France. The road curved, but it was nothing to concern one's self with. The races are only on GCN/Eurosport. Among an awful lot of distractions, as Carlton Kirby explains, commentating on cycling is an arduous process. He spoils everyones enjoyment of the race with his silly so called jokes and rubbish talk. And anybody who has watched one unfold on TV will recognise the frantic speed of the commentary as the race reaches its climax. I don't have anything against him personally, but he doesn't seem to get the basics of the sport. I do love the sport because its a crescendo sport. Kirby has however found his own distinctive and unique style which has brilliantly worked for him all these years. I'm not sure if it was security, medical or a photographer who hit him, but essentially there was braking with four riders on the ground and the bike flipped before landing on the riders. Riders who perhaps finished tenth on a day will be livid that we didnt eulogise about them, but Im sorry, I was talking about the person who finished first. Shouldnt be that hard to organise with so many people here able to talk eloquently and intelligently for 4 hours. We met a young boy and young girl who recently lost their mum, and its really sad when you see that side of it. One of the worlds most iconic cycling brands appears set to launch an e-bike. Punching the handlebars is the almost universal sign of frustration at losing. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Like this site? More often than not they slip into commentary which is at best nationalistic, and at worst xenophobic. There have always been deaths since the early 1900s from vehicle-related incidents. Its a case of trying to keep everybody amused. Kirbys Knowledge and Enthusiasm on the Mic is Unparalleled, When Kirby explains the difficult process of commentating on cycling, Michael Matthews powers to Bretagne Classic victory, Bora-hansgrohe riders false positive raises new doubts over accuracy of COVID-19 testing, Giro dItalia, Milan-San Remo under threat of cancellation due to coronavirus, Ewan storms to victory on stage 2 of UAE Tour. Carlton's voice is familiar to fans of Motorsports and Cycling both on British Television and throughout the world. The major problem with this is that you cannot follow a race he is commentating on unless you are watching it - i.e. But I do allow people to believe Im always on-site. Eurosport's Carlton Kirby. You are calling the race as you see it on the screen. I think there seems to be a bad feeling against cyclists and its really strange because theyre only people, he continued. You have your usual office equipment, coffee machine, and sandwich machine. But it is also true that there isnt a dearth of genuine fans of Kirby who really appreciate his vast knowledge on the field. There is a rumour that the plane ticket has already been bought for Mark to leave the Tour, but I think the temptation is there for him to go to the Champs-lyses because he believes in his mind that he has worked out how to unpick Marcel Kittel, who is his main threat. Pure invention; based on nothing. The man, the myth, the chosen son. I make notes of the corners, pinch points, danger points, acceleration points, attack points all of those things.. One of the most adaptable voices on British Television, as can be seen from hisworking synopsis, Carltons range is wide. So, were close to the press guys who have spoken to the riders, and they wander up during the day, and weve been in place for two hours already, and we meet with you guys. While folk littering with gel wrappers is no doubt annoying, is it really up there with fly-tipping? Eurosports commentator Carlton Kirby has called hundreds of races throughout his career, both on-site and from the studio. Some of which have been admitted, some of which weren't. That is common in France and Belgium with a dedicated roving reporter from the race roving all over the peloton and having a chat. Hosted by Duncan Steer. We have to get him off eurosport. Youre at the finish line, essentially watching the TV albeit with extra screens.. Proper all rounder. Ive been up the Galibier. All crescendo sports deserve to be treated as such. I don't know the guy but I wish in netherlands we would do it with mart smeets, danny nelissen and herbert dijkstra, who are complete idiots. Its not something thats learned, or something you can prepare for. As for the Sky Team Fans member - you wouldnt actually be Mr Kirby would you ???? Carlton Kirby pete54 Posts: 488 March 2014 edited October 2019 in Pro race For all those who can't stand Kirby's 'commentary' (must be everyone on Bikeradar? Ill be making notes when Sean Kellys driving, which can be a difficult thing! Seriously. He has poor knowledge and really just annoys everyone. It is not so bad if they are in front because the rider can tell the motorbike to go away, but if it is trailing the rider and the rider comes off, there is always the possibility of impact. We've asked Colnago for more details but they just shrugged their shoulders in reply. Eurosport cant get away with this !! The demands of media and multimedia these days make it more of a serious problem. VeloNews: Whats the biggest difference for you when youre commentating on a race from back home, instead of attending the event? And if you ever thought the job of the commentator was easy, think again, with the ability to multi-task a key skill for anyone working in live television. CK: You need the details. Live blog: "outrageous claims" - Tao Geoghegan Hart lays into Eurosport commentator Carlton Kirby, cyclists blamed for countryside litter - Twitter responds, Colnago e-bike, Jason Kenny, Jeremy Vine on close-passes, TdY teams, Peloton baby + more. pic.twitter.com/RRu5rosVP4, Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) March 24, 2019, This time it's a driver who doesn't get the concept of taking the lane (and is caught soon after he risks an overtake on the clogged up London street anyway), Yesterday officers were helped by youths on pedal cycles & many other members of public in catching a thief (300 theft) from Bentley Bridge who security were chasing for a while. Theres an awful lot of distractions to keep on top of, so if you happen to be looking at your notes when somebody has a moment and you dont see it, its not your fault., Kirby laughs. https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/1698 ant-drivel, http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85131. (PS If there's anything here about donating, that's the website host - nothing to do with this petition - there is nothing to donate to. And I said: Because I asked him! I asked him at breakfast, because when youre on-site, you can talk to the riders. Those are definitely the days when you earn your corn. Learn More, Blog: Abusing other cyclists highlights everything wrong with cycling in Britain, Chris Froome backed by strong Team Sky squad for Vuelta a Espana, Vuelta a Espana 2015 route: five stages which could decide the race, Vuelta a Espana 2015: five stages which could decide the race. It is irretrievable. And it is at that point, Cav comes out of the shadows to mug him at the line. I can't understand why Eurosport need to use him when they gave at least four other knowledgeable commentators, even without Harmon. because there wuld be an uprising in the country. If its one of those days where its going to end in a sprint and you need to cover 240km, then its gonna be a bit of a drag. When actually its just hand-written sheet of notes to recall from.. 2023 Eurosport, a Warner Bros. The sights and sounds of the race and the attention of aptitude in an ample pressroom can renounce some valuable chunks for a commentator. This is the video I showed Trinity School in Lewisham this morning. The concern of course is how much is this going to take out of him before he begins preparations for the Olympic Games next month? The problem is that social media has allowed anyone and everyone to voice their opinion, regardless of their credibility. I comfort myself with the fact that there are people out there who actually hate Terry Wogan. I've decided and bought a '21 Revolt which is nigh on identical in stack and reach to the Defy, only differences being a slacker front end and Well if you ever go to Chesterfield you will be called "youth" however old you are. if many people would do this via twitter it could at least give a sign. I have - again - sent this to Eurosport (23/2/23, with 1,871 signatures - and 1,400 people taking the time to comment!). Fully agree Kirby is the most irritable commentator ever. From dealing with the never-ending frenzy of action, and incessant radio announcements, to having to tackle the director. Dan's stage guides at the giro a few years ago were great. Advertising, commercial: sales [at] road.cc Kittel moves first into Cavendish, who follows the white line. Terms and conditions of use. He came off the corner leading, it was a right hand to the finish in Villars-les-Dombes. It was a dreadfully high price to pay in my opinion to high but the suffering couldnt go on. All material FarrellyAtkinson (F-At) Limited, Unit 7b Green Park Station BA11JB. Thomas De Gendt launched a solo attack from the break with 60 kilometres remaining of todays opening stage of the Volta a Catalunya, covering 163 kilometres and starting and finishing in Calella and the Lotto-Soudal rider now finds himself with a lead of almost three minutes on his rivals. Coverage includes enhanced production with access to helicopter, on-board and superslomo cameras. That is in fact my main Friday occupation. So, our information can be slightly second-hand. Rob Hatch is apparently also good but he doesnt do very much that I've seen. Can you at least extend our premium subscriptions so we can play all races, until you fix the issue? You have got to be kidding! Being a commentator is all about improvisation and Kirby knows this quite well considering his huge range of experience. I quite like Kirby. There are people who love what I do, and others who hate it, he admits. As well as sports commentary his voiceover work includes corporate videos and feature films as well as radio and television advertising. Even once the race itself is over, and the post-analysis is done, theres a second race to get away from the finish line. Where is the central body that has its own rules of discipline and rules of engagement that respect distance protocol and passing protocol under the race director? Kirby says he opens the Tours road book (the bible for riders and media alike) first and foremost, having to change all of the notes to match his commentary notes and the on-screen graphics counting down the kilometres, rather than up as the book does. Quite brilliant and gutsy from Tom. The very aspect of commentating that requires filling the gaps spanning hours of no action is the reason. No ! After moving to 30 Tour de France stage wins with four rousing victories that has shattered Marcel Kittel on this year's Tour, Eurosport's voice of cycling Carlton Kirby tells Desmond Kane why he .
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